LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself!

by sricki, Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:48:34 PM EST

(cross-posted at Clintonistas for Obama)

ROFL!!!

"I am so disgusted with McCain and whoever led him in that direction. He has REALLY messed in it." - my maternal grandmother, about 10 minutes ago

LOL, thank you McCain! My 71-year-old lifelong Republican grandmother is voting for OBAMA!

Do you know why? Because of PALIN. Because McCain is old. And she's afraid he'll die, which would mean a woman with no experience and no real accomplishments would become president. And my Gammy's 74-year-old church friend is also voting for Obama. They've kept it a secret between themselves (because they hate Democrats, and it's supposed to be an embarrassment to vote for one). The most pro-life people you'll ever meet. Southern Baptists. Super social conservatives, fiscally conservative. Horrified by Wright. Bought into the "Obama is a Muslim" thing for months and sent me god knows how many emails about it. Thought he might be the ANTICHRIST. Don't think we should pull out of Iraq.

And yet... they're voting for him. That's right. They're Voting. For. Barack. Obama.

"He's either an incredibly gifted liar, or he's exactly what this country needs right now. I think Obama is a different thing. I really believe what he's saying."

That was her reaction to Obama's speech last night. McCain screwed himself out of a vote with Palin. Obama WON himself a vote with his impassioned speech. I'm so excited I can barely think straight. No one in my family has EVER voted for a Democrat (except me, of course, but I don't count).

"Michelle's speech was wonderful, just wonderful. And this thing about her not being patriotic is just a lie. She's pretty much right about how blacks were treated in America."

I'm in shock. Really. In SHOCK. My 71-year-old grandmother is an Obamacan.

PS. My grandmother is from Alabama. And she used to LOVE McCain.




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Tips for my grandmother. (2.00 / 24)

And for our new president, Barack Obama.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:49:47 PM EST

Re: Tips for my grandmother. (2.00 / 5)

Great diary.  Sorry for cutting in, but Ice T has a message for John McCain:

You played yourself, fool.


If you hold a cat by the tail you learn things you cannot learn any other way.
by Jess81 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:33:47 PM EST
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Ain't that a miracle! (2.00 / 3)

Horray for Republicans turned Obamacans! Hopefully in the next few weeks, I can do the same with my GOP family members. Wish me luck when I visit Las Vegas next month! ;-)


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:35:04 PM EST
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Re: Ain't that a miracle! (2.00 / 4)

I'm an Obamacan.  Been a registered Republican for over 30 years.  I've campaigned for the man.

Point out the state of the nation vs. 8 years ago: the nearly flat stock market performance, the erosion of the constitution, and the crappy economy, and that the price of gas has gone so high under Republican rule.

Only after a lengthy conversation about all of that do you plant the seed of voting for Obama and that you're gonna vote for the man.

You might want to load the issue with the spectre of Social Security Privatization, but see where they stand on it first.

Good Luck!
Celtic Merlin
Carlinist


Bush and McCain - as inseparable as Shit and Stink!
by Celtic Merlin on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:01:58 AM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 14)

it is McCain's Harriet Myers moment.  And he can't take it back :)


by colebiancardi on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:50:54 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 9)

freaking brilliant....!

Have I freaked out yet that this woman advocates the killing of wolves from the air, running them, terrified until they virtually collapse from exhaustion, and all so that there is more game to hunt?

I haven't...?  Well, there, now I did.

And, by the way, the Veep is the steward of the Interior Department if I am not mistaken...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 09:57:54 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 10)

Plus the whole no abortion even in case of rape thing...that even scares a lot of Republicans.


by Skaje on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:01:51 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 7)

yeah, gee, try to sell that one?  You just can't make it sound even remotely palatable...


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:04:13 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 8)

and no abortion in cases of incest - how on earth can YOU sell that?  

that is a double whammy - rape & incest.

yikes!


by colebiancardi on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:05:44 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 5)

Well, this is the party that brought us, ketchup is a vegetable and "mental recession", so they can try selling it... will anyone buy it?

And she pronounces it nookular...!  IT'S NU-CLE-AR!!!

AAAAUUUGGGHHHH!!!

I have sort of a spinal tick everytime I hear that.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:18:35 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 6)

You mean, like the war in Eye-Rack?


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19:33 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (none / 0)

Well, Al-Kayda is a serious problem still.  :-)


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 08:44:18 AM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 3)

It won't hurt her among the repulican mainstream even if many republicans won't share that extreme.


by Pravin on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:07:58 PM EST
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That will hurt though, (2.00 / 2)

with independents and any still disaffected PUMAs.

The PUMAs, if I understand them at all, don't want just any woman as President or Vice-president. They want the woman Hillary Clinton.

Palin's social views from initial reports seem to be 180 from those of Hillary, but appeal to the most conservative wing of the Republican party.

I don't see how Palin helps McCain with Democratic women, independents and, now that I think about it, even moderate Republicans.


by RickWn on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:37:50 PM EST
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Re: That will hurt though, (2.00 / 1)

If you believe this you need to spend some time on PUMA blogs.  A number of them-- the majority --were gushing today.  I'll never understand these folks.


by Philoguy on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:37:31 AM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (none / 0)

That's fine...then let this be a base election. Given the enthusiasm gap, the huge number of new Democratic voters, Obama's field work, and the expected record turnout on our side, this year I'm finally comfortable enough to pit our base versus theirs.

If she's as uninformed on major issues as everyone says, then the initial burst of excitement on the repugs' side will soon fade...hopefully to be replaced by an impending sense of panic.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:16:03 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 6)

And she hates polar bears.


by venician on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:18:28 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 5)

Well, to be fair, she thinks they're cute on the commercials, but doesn't think they should be protected....


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19:21 PM EST
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Same way she feels about (2.00 / 1)

her fellow sisterhood of women apparently. Cute in commercials, but they shouldn't be protected.

She just might be more whacked out than McCain himself.


by RickWn on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:42:40 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 7)

Wow, that is cool beyond belief.  I'm as impressed with your grandma as I am, always, with you.  That is just great.  Nice when people open their eyes and ears and really take it all in.


by mady on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:02:58 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 7)

BACKLASH!!!

McCain is old. Let's not be PC about it. The man is 72 years old and if God forbid he won, and if God forbid something happened to him a former mayor of a town of 8,000 people will be running the country.

::shudders::


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:08:55 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 10)

It kind of seems like the candidate for vice president on the Libertarian ticket, not the Republican ticket.  What the hell was McCain thinking?


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:16:24 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 7)

I have no idea. I'm in Texas and I've been getting the same vibe from around here from the Palin pick.

It seems they misplayed it. Let's hope so and see where this takes us but right now, it aint looking good for the "Mavericksss".


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:25:16 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 7)

It's weird, but here in Ohio, the few Republicans I have spoken to think that putting a women on the ticket means Obama is toast...  that is how little they get it.  They think it's that simple... just put a woman on the ticket and women will flock in droves to support you...

I don't know what is sadder.. that they think so little of women or that some obscure polling data, which you know they did beforehand, indicated that this is true.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:31:08 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 4)

sricki, I got chills and tears in my eyes when I read this diary. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
And how can Palin accept the nomination in a historic week when women finally won the right to vote, and yet spport taking away a womens right to choose?
by venician on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:17:14 PM EST
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I feel the same way. (2.00 / 3)

I'm absolutely giddy. I was typing the diary while she talked (hence the quotes). She started talking about voting for Obama, and I RAN to my computer. She wanted to know what kind of forums I posted on because she wanted to learn more about current DEMOCRATIC policies. I told her I'd send her plenty of articles about Obama and some of the speeches he's given. She sounds kind of excited about it, like a little girl who's doing something naughty. ;)

I mean, really, I was speechless for a minute there. My jaw dropped.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:44:37 PM EST
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Major kudos to you (2.00 / 2)

You should give your self a pat on the back. Without your determination and patience to teach her about Obma she would be voting for McCain. If only all of us could do what you just accomplished.


by venician on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:37:09 AM EST
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Gracias! (2.00 / 1)

It's my personal goal this cycle to convince at least 10 Republicans to vote for Obama. There are so many things they'll appreciate. My grandmother hates the pro-life stuff and feared he would raise taxes, but I explained the tax breaks he'll be giving and that he's just letting the Bush tax cuts expire. She thought it was wonderful. I also explained his healthcare plan to her, which she initially didn't understand at all, and she thought it was brilliant.

It's an amazing feeling to see a staunch, lifelong Republican give our nominee a chance. I'm so proud of my grandmother's open-mindedness. She's usually so set in her ways.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 09:07:26 AM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 5)

Bang!

Great Diary!

sicki, I'm still on the list, right?  

;-)


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:11:39 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 5)

sicki? Is that some new sockpuppet? LOL!


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:15:54 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 4)

Palin

Well, she seems like a perfectly decent person, but I observe that while I thought Hillary was presidential timber, I don't hold that opinion of Sarah.


That's it, baby; let's go win this election!
by Beltway Dem on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:14:50 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 7)

That's it right there. She could be a mighty oak someday, but right now she's just a sapling, and probably not the best place to put your treehouse.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19:31 PM EST
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Everyone's decent (none / 0)

I really believe that.  So if intrinsic human decency were the defense against criticism I'd just have to let everything go.

But it isn't.  As Sen. Obama said just last night (sic)"We all care about our country!  But that doesn't make John McCain correct about how we should run it!"

I'm in favor of appropriate caveats, but I've also promised myself that I would cut back by 70% this year (seriously - it was my only NYE resolution).  So when I am criticizing someone, take it for granted that I assume they're inherently decent.  And I will criticize: anything less is dishonesty.

(not picking on you, I'm just makin' a point and this ended up being the spot for it [see?  too many caveats! ;~])

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:18:56 AM EST
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Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 13)

VP nominee in a long long while.  One week ago, I was going to vote for McCain.  But the VP choices of the two candidates tell be a lot about their leadership.  Obama's choice was among the best, McCain's among the worst.
I'm considering donating to Obama, although I hate his foreign policy.  But McCain is not fit to be President, not when he makes decisions like this.
Joe Lieberman Democrat. Supported Biden and then Clinton in the primaries. Will vote for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin.
by Clintonite4McCainA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:19:32 PM EST

Re: Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 7)

I'm thinking Colin Powell is going to make the same decision. According to Al Rodgers, Brokaw said he was going to endorse on Meet the Press, but was waiting until the VPs were named. If that is the case, I can't imagine why he'd be endorsing McCain over Obama.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:21:30 PM EST
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Re: Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 4)

Unless he was concerned about McCain picking someone that was too much of an "insider". LOL


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:21:58 PM EST
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Re: Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 2)

Wait, what? He's not scheduled for MtP this week. That's what I get for not fact checking. I'm going to go investigate.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:24:48 PM EST
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Re: Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 2)

Don't feel bad, you did better than McCain's vetters! ;-)


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:44:23 PM EST
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Re: Palin is the most unqualified (none / 0)

ZING!


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:05:20 PM EST
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I hadn't thought about that: (2.00 / 3)

Can you *imagine* what Powell is thinking right now??  Powell is a rock-solid a realist as exists!  It must be something like this:

"Palin?  Palin?  No, I really need to finish reading this arti...  Palin?" (takes off glasses, presses the bridge of his nose between his fingers.  Shakes head like he got a sudden chill.  Stands up decisively.  Sit's back down again.

"Palin?"


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:48:49 PM EST
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Re: Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 8)

I've read you say elsewhere that you were voting for Barack and that your userhandle was outdated.

Could you please make a new one? It will be hard to not get h'rated with that one.

Major mojo for you though!


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:22:28 PM EST
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Re: Palin is the most unqualified (2.00 / 7)

I got a new account, but apparently it isn't going to be activated for a week, according to the e-mail


Joe Lieberman Democrat. Supported Biden and then Clinton in the primaries. Will vote for Obama/Biden over McCain/Palin.
by Clintonite4McCainA on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:26:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's OK... (2.00 / 9)

Welcome home! You're not the only "Clintonista for Obama" around these parts. {Sorry, I just HAD to! ;-) } I was also a Hillary supporter during the primaries, though I had originally supported her because Al Gore wouldn't run & I considered her more progressive on domestic issues. But anyways, I'm absolutely insulted by this Palin VP pick... She's against everything Hillary stands for & I don't see how any rational man or woman would want McBush & Palin in the White House!


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:43:31 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 8)

This diary absolutely killed me.

Fortunately I'm a Democrat, so I will still be able to vote in November.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:38:21 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 10)

McCain cost himself at least one NC vote with this pick.  

My wife, who was a huge Hillary supporter, just was not on board with Obama.  Even after this week's great speeches, she was planning to just sit out and not vote at all.

Until today.  John McCain thinks my wife is stupid, and she knows it.  

Thanks to John McCain, my wife is now firmly in the Obama camp.  Wants a Obama yard sign.  And a Obama button. And to volunteer.

It's not about the plumbing, John.  It's about the issues.  Thank you so much for ending weeks of political bickering in my house and restoring peace.


Enough is enough!
by Bear83 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:38:35 PM EST

I know & she's not alone... (2.00 / 5)

I was completely insulted by McBush's cheap trick! It's not just about the uterus. It's about leadership, intelligence, passion, commitment to working people.

Hillary is all of that & more. Palin isn't. Hillary wants us to support Barack Obama, who holds the same values she does. Game over, Obama wins! :-D


We shall overcome!
by atdleft on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:50:10 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 2)

Let me guess.... Florida?  Nate at 538 thinks that this VP pick opens up Florida big time for Obama...


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:45:48 PM EST

We're from AL. (2.00 / 5)

Deep, deep South.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:47:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh my god! (2.00 / 5)

Thank you for posting this1 I laughed my ass off!

PLEASE tell your grandmother and her friend THANK YOU! She is much needed and much appreciated!

See... we Democrats are really nice people.  :)


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 10:50:21 PM EST

Can I send you gramma flowers, (2.00 / 4)

or would that seem condescending?

I really mean the best by the gesture, it isn't for her vote.  She just proved my ever-unpopular opinion that people kick ass.  ALL people, and even those you spend all your time disagreeing with.

Gramma's no fucking idiot, not because she is a Republican, not because she is from Alabama, not for any of the reasons many (and many of us) would find cause to call her one.

Gramma's as smart as anyone else.  She questions the whole Obama thing, but if he's lying he sure is good at it (fooled me) and Michelle is just telling it like it is.  McCain?  He's treating people like idiots.

Gramma's no fool.  Give her a hug for me, anyway.

-chris


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:19:06 PM EST

hhmm... (2.00 / 1)

a woman with no experience and no real accomplishments?  what the feck is going on today?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:21:03 PM EST

CG, she HAS no experience (2.00 / 3)

and no real accomplishments. My grandmother wasn't trying to be sexist.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:26:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: CG, she HAS no experience (2.00 / 4)

Well. She was mayor of a town with 8,000 people just 2 years ago.

A man wouldn't get near the ticket with that extra thin resume.\

This was a pander VP ticket, plain and simple.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:33:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Yup. (2.00 / 2)

And everyone knows it.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:40:25 PM EST
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im stunned. (2.00 / 1)

am i on a progressive site?  its pathetic that i am being forced to defend someone that i have nothing in common with ideologically - honestly im surprised.  SHE IS A GOVERNOR.  

you can argue that she does not have ENOUGH experience or that her accomplishments are not suitable for VP...  but seriously what does minimizing what she has done serve?  


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:34:25 PM EST
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I was quoting my grandmother. (2.00 / 0)

Hence the quotation marks. Then you say "what the feck is wrong with everyone?" That sounds a lot like, "What the feck is wrong with your grandmother?" to me, since you were referring to what she said. So I defended her point.

If you'd prefer that I say she has too little experience, fine. She's the governor of a state which has fewer people than the city/suburbs of Birmingham, AL. I'm not impressed. At all.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:39:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

fine. (none / 0)

if you were quoting your grandmother - then i apologize.  but frankly a lot of people here (and all over the blogosphere) have said highly questionable things today.

i might not agree with this woman - but i don't condone sexism.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:43:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Excuse my language, (2.00 / 1)

but how the fuck was what my grandmother said sexist?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:44:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Excuse my language, (1.00 / 1)

a woman with no experience and no real accomplishments

really?  did mccain slide into a KFC drive thru and ask the cashier to be his running mate?  again - its fair and true to say that her experience is not suitable for VP but that she has none?


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:54:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

If Palin had been a man, (none / 0)

my grandmother would have said, a man with no experience and no accomplishments. The fact that she mentioned the gender makes it sexist? Why does she HAVE to say, "a person" when Palin is, in fact, female? My grandmother's distaste has nothing to do with Palin's sex.


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:58:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Palin had been a man, (2.00 / 2)

And btw, why can't she say Palin has no experience if she wants to? Compared to someone like Biden, she has almost no experience. The phrasing was not meant to be malicious. You've taken it the wrong way, you really, really have. It was an innocent remark on my grandmother's part.

CG, are you alright? Why are you so angry?


Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:00:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: If Palin had been a man, (none / 0)

Good riposte!

But sensitivities are going to be high given, as WJC said, that recent democratic primaries raised global warming!

This is obviously huge for you given your grandmother's location & history. And I can see where cg is coming from.


And all shall be well And all manner of things . . .
by stauron on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:07:41 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (2.00 / 3)

not every "unqualified"  comment directed at a woman is sexist.

based on what I know of Palin, I can say she is unqualified and it is not sexist at all


by colebiancardi on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:11:39 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (2.00 / 1)

I don't think it is, either.  But calling her a "token" and joking about her being a "beauty queen" is sexist.  And our side of the blogosphere has gone batshit crazy today with shit like this.

I really empathize with canadian gal right now, because I HATE the GOP ticket and I would rather kiss a girl than vote for those two anti-science, anti-gay, anti-family, anti-environment RW reactionaries.  But I won't stay silent when I see sexist comments any longer.

Geraldine Ferraro was called a racist when she said that Obama's race and gender gave him an advantage in the primaries.  Yet we have no problem calling GOV. Sarah Palin a token?  As if her other accomplishments mean nothing?

I'm pissed right now for two reasons:

  1. The progressive blogosphere really disappointed me.
  2. I feel like I have to defend someone who HATES me.


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:15:46 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (2.00 / 1)

Drew- the sexism is entirely on the Republican side- for one, thinking that putting any woman up there will appease disaffected Hillary supporters.
Palin is unvetted, unqualified and only chosen for her gender. There are certainly more qualified women in the republican party, Kay Bailey Hutchison for one (who would have made me sweat bullets had she been chosen).
It shows how desperate the McCain campaign has gotten.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 06:30:37 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (none / 0)

Hutchinson asked not to be vetted and made it clear she was not interested in the VP a while back.  Many of the other prominent women such as Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe are pro-choice.

I think that it is inappropriate to dismiss anyone as a "token."


Another Clintonista against John McCain
by psychodrew on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 08:00:55 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (2.00 / 0)

I'm sorry, but McCain has been considering pro-choice men for the last month- Tom Ridge, for one, and now they're saying he was actually going for Lieberman, until yesterday.
If he had picked someone like Snowe, or Collins, the Democrats could have been in trouble.
But fortunately, he's not very smart, and neither are the morons running his campaign. I think this is going to turn sour on him very quickly.
"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 10:13:28 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (none / 0)

I would disagree.  There is tokenism, and no one can tell me that he didn't pick Palin because of her gender. I rarely make that assessment, but this one is so obvious. They were listening to the overblown media and thought that they could pick up "disaffected Clinton supporters", without considering that Hillary's appeal was about her competence and her work for women's issues (likewise, those who say Obama has made it this far on race overlooked the assets that we all saw Thursady night).

The was tokenism on McCain's side, pure and simple.  If he picked any number of other more qualified GOP candidates (Rice, Hutchison, Snowe, Whitman, Dole, to name a few), I would not say this.


Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:26:47 PM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (2.00 / 0)

If it helps, at least our side's sexism is mostly unintentional.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 08:49:48 AM EST
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Re: If Palin had been a man, (none / 0)

yeah, I get that - I am not a fan of the Beauty Queen comment either and the pundits were laying that on thick last night

As far as token, I use the word pandering.  It is obvious to everyone by now, that McCain only put Palin on the ticket to try and sway women voters.  If Obama had picked Hillary as Veep, Palin would have never been McCain's pick at all.


by colebiancardi on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 09:35:37 AM EST
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Sexism: (none / 0)

"She's going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years, and most doctors think that he'll be around at least that long," - Charlie Black, McCain advisor
Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:05:01 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 6)

I wonder if all the Media firestorm over the PUMA people made McCain think he could win by using their influence...

If so, then I have a sudden new respect for our PUMA friends and the MSM. They won the game for us by being so vocal.

grin


Serious question- Is This Snark?
by ragekage on Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 11:26:58 PM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 1)

Good point.  Their nervous tic was a head-fake to the McCain campaign.


by Shaun Appleby on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 05:23:32 AM EST
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Oil oil everywhere, and not a drop to drink (2.00 / 1)

The reason and probably the only reason that "the Maverick" chose such a Alaskan  rookie for the job as VP (a heart beat from the Presidency) is because his22 big oil lobbyists want to drill for oil in Alaska. Plain and simple. If McCain doesn't last for the full 4 year term........the Oil companies have a "open door"to the President of the United States....no more having to justify their policies to congress...it's card blanche to the President. This is as dangerous as havingMcCain in the White House. Making sure McCain doesn't get elected if even more critical than it was a mere 24 hours ago. His 22 oil advisers are behind thismove and the American people should know about this....we have no idea if McCain is even competent enough to know he's being manipulated. Some reportersare whispering that his memory fails from morning to night.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:10:38 AM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 2)

Great news sricki...Thanks for sharing....I was in having coffee at our local diner today (overwhelmingly anti-Obama) they were absolutely astonished at this pick, and most said there is no way they will risk national security with Palin.


Toot, thank you for raising such a terrific person...You done good and we will have you in our hearts.
by hootie4170 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:12:22 AM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (none / 0)

My grandmother was going to vote Democratic regardless (I don't think she's ever voted Republican), but she was not impressed by Palin at all.  


by rfahey22 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:43:59 AM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 1)

Go Grammy!!!


John McCain smells like mothballs.
by asherrem on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:49:52 AM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 1)

McCain just lost Florida today. Sarah Palin was a staunch supporter of Pat Buchanan's GOP campaign for president in 2000.

Pat Buchanan's hatred of Israel is well-documented.

I still can't believe this pick.


Let the spin begin!
by KoolJeffrey on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:52:04 AM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 2)

Grandma-gate!

I think Palin was the absolute best pick he could have made, in terms of uniting the conservative base, but at the same time it's an obvious pander.  He undermines the experience argument that he's been making for months, he undermines the celebrity argument that he's been making for months (seriously, someone who was a nosehair away from being Miss Alaska?), and he brings his own judgment into question.  Framing is going to be very interesting within the next few months.


And so, may evil beware and may good dress warmly and eat lots of fresh vegetables.
by thatpurplestuff on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 06:30:34 AM EST

Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (none / 0)

If I were McCain (and thankfully I am not), I would have chosen Romney.  That alone might not have united the evangelical base, but it would have absolutely united the fiscals.  And the evangelicals would probably come around because they HATE Democrats and I don't see them all staying home.  So you pick Romney and definitely shore up the fiscal conservatives, and probably get many of the evangelicals anyway.  Plus Romney has experience as a Governor and actually implemented a great health care plan in Massachusetts that saved my own ass for almost a year.  If he could remind Independents of his moderate time there and give a wink-wink to conservatives that he's really just like them, that would have worked.


by ProgressiveDL on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 08:53:20 AM EST
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Count my kid in (2.00 / 2)

on this decision sealing the deal for him.  After the Obama speech he was very pro-Obama but wanted to see the GOP Convention before making up his mind 100%.  After the Palin pick he says he's got nothing more to think about.

He's 24, an Iraq veteran and pretty conservative. He came back from Iraq pretty up on McCain and put off by the Wright business.

But this Palin crap hits a raw nerve for him -- the "special standards" set for women in the military to reach the same rank or recognition.  He saw Clinton as CiC material, but not the former mayor of Ukluk.

McCain lost him too.  


Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.
by GRO on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 10:09:57 AM EST

Re: Count my kid in (none / 0)

Yes, I see Palin at best being a draw. Maybe some will like her and vote for McCain because of it, but a whole lot will see this as a poor reflection of McCain's judgment and vote against him because of it.


by Lolis on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 11:10:52 AM EST
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Re: Count my kid in (none / 0)

GRO,

I'm gonna be honest:  I called Palin a beauty queen.  It wasn't meant to be sexist, since I would go after this meme with a man, as well, (just like Dan Quayle).

I've rethought those comments, and decided that they may have been unproductive.

At any rate, please give a pat on your son's back for me, for serving his country, and for coming home safely.

Cheers!


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 12:54:10 PM EST
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Always wanted to ask... (none / 0)

OK.  I know what LMAO (kinda 'LOL' or "RTFL', yes?) means, but, what specific words does it stand for


Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:11:08 PM EST

Re: Always wanted to ask... (none / 0)

Laughing My Ass Off


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:18:45 PM EST
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Re: Always wanted to ask... (none / 0)

gracias


Stop H8
by mikeinsf on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:29:12 PM EST
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Re: LMAO, McCain PWN3D himself! (2.00 / 1)

Too funny, and too true.

Go Grandma Go!

I love this quote from Bear83

It's not about the plumbing, John.  It's about the issues.  Thank you so much for ending weeks of political bickering in my house and restoring peace.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/8/29/2 14834/926/31/post#here


John McCain: Four More Years of Failure.
by dannybauder on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 01:18:14 PM EST

key points (none / 0)

The Palin choice can wound McCain badly if these points are stressed:

1. the environment  -- Palin doesn't believe human activity contributes to global warming

2. Rape and incest -- never mind being "pro-life" she doesn't want abortion in cases of rape and incest.  Who but extremists can be on board with that?

3. Polar Bears -- don't laugh.  This is a mainstream issue with almost no opposition outside of Alaska.  She doesn't want protection for POLAR BEARS??  Who the hell doesn't love Polar Bears?

4.  All things Evangelical -- the typical Independent jumps like  pithed frog at the mention of an Evangelical agenda.  Aren't these the sme folks that just gave us eight years of W?   Rightfully portray her as an Evangelical darling and McCain is toast.  


Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.
by GRO on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 02:23:38 PM EST


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